Curse

Wannagotoheaven · Apr 03, 2011, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Hey,
I've been pvping for a while now and have been doing okay with my monking. Improve as I go.
I manage melee's okay since i'm running Doylak/Bonetti's usually.
But I have alot of trouble with mesmers, especially Esurge ones.
Most of them are running builds with Mind wreck. I get shut down in no time. And once that happens I just sit a 0-10 energy, with MW hitting me for 100 every 10secs.
So i'm wondering how people handle that?
And how are high/low/normal sets used?
i mean against mesmers, once you switch to high, you're stuck there or MW will insta gib you every time it's cast.
I understand your allies are suppposed to pressure the mesmer, but there's usually a monk around. And even then they can't always peel effectively.

Any tips/ideas?

Infectious · Apr 03, 2011, 12:49 AM // 00:49

Sit in low set, switch to normal set to cast, return to low set.

Jeydra · Apr 03, 2011, 01:50 AM // 01:50

Start with the low set (you should have 25 energy). Once they drain you, start moving to normal / high sets when you need to cast. Camp the low set whenever you can; it helps you keep some reserve against Energy Surge etc. Take the Mind Wrack damage if you have to - 100 damage is not too much, WoH heals twice that amount once you drop below 50% health.

If you're running Bonetti's, you probably have Vig Spirit, so you can autoattack to heal even with 0 energy.

I Jonas I · Apr 03, 2011, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Start with the low set (you should have 25 energy). Once they drain you, start moving to normal / high sets when you need to cast. Camp the low set whenever you can; it helps you keep some reserve against Energy Surge etc. Take the Mind Wrack damage if you have to - 100 damage is not too much, WoH heals twice that amount once you drop below 50% health.

If you're running Bonetti's, you probably have Vig Spirit, so you can autoattack to heal even with 0 energy.

This.

If you weapon swap correctly you will have 25 energy 90% of the time and you will have a max energy reserves of 72 with your high energy set. So you'd have to get caught out of your low set multiple times in order for E surge to do anything too dangerous.

EDIT: also it is worth noting that if you use bonetti's in your low set the +5e trigger will help you gain back energy that you are negative while in your low set, but if you get E surged in your low set you can't lose that energy. I.E. You can gain energy that you don't have but you can't lose that energy

Wannagotoheaven · Apr 03, 2011, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Sit in low set, switch to normal set to cast, return to low set.

Trying to do that but i've always hated how changing sets while autoattacking doesn't work smoothly. Not used to pressing esc either. Guess this is a reflex I have to acquire .

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Start with the low set (you should have 25 energy).

Doing that. my low set is 35 tho. Should i get it to 25 instead?

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Once they drain you, start moving to normal / high sets when you need to cast. Camp the low set whenever you can; it helps you keep some reserve against Energy Surge etc.

Problem is MW's 7s recharge. can't even remove it every time, let alone getting interupted.

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Take the Mind Wrack damage if you have to - 100 damage is not too much, WoH heals twice that amount once you drop below 50% health.

Heh was running Healing burst against all the degen flying around. trying woh as we speak.

I appreciate everyone's replies so far

Jeydra · Apr 03, 2011, 02:14 AM // 02:14

Yes you should have a 25e low set. You don't have to use it when there's no ESurge Mesmer on the other team, but you should have a -5e spear in your inventory.

Mind Wrack's 7s cooldown makes it a little dangerous, but as before, you can afford to take the damage. 100 damage isn't little, but it isn't a lot either. You don't have to remove it. As long as you're on the low set, it doesn't hurt nearly as much.

I like WoH more than Healing Burst, but I guess it's up to you. Healing Burst still heals more than Mind Wrack's damage, though, so as before - take the Mind Wrack damage if you have to. Actually with every Monk bar take the Mind Wrack damage if you have to; after all, if you don't, Energy Surge does just as much as Mind Wrack and costs you energy. Besides, if you do die, it's far better to die on the low set than on normal / high set.

Oh and yeah, what Jonas said about Bonetti's.

Coast · Apr 03, 2011, 09:27 AM // 09:27

and if u rly want low energy then u'll be at 23energy, but u will loose armor gained from the shield tho(11armor+a possible 10 more from the inscription), up to u

Wannagotoheaven · Apr 03, 2011, 09:54 AM // 09:54

Thanks again for the replies.
Getting a hold of it a bit more. My problem is mostly allies not peeling enough. And today I've seen alot of mesmers using backfire coupled with necros covering it. Pretty though to handle too.

Coast · Apr 03, 2011, 12:51 PM // 12:51

watch mesmer cast backfire and when its like halfway then use ur hexremoval on urself at that point(backfire most likely will be casted on u)also can see where the mesmer is facing at

Wannagotoheaven · Apr 03, 2011, 02:33 PM // 14:33

I see. I played wow for a long time and loved the focus system there. I've played GW for a long time too, and know there's no such thing. Do most people rely on alt tabbing to target?
e.g: I use my spear set for auto attacks and just press "c-space". That often doesn't end up being the mesmer.
Again, stupid question, but do you then tab back to the mesmer?

Playing Is Srs Bsns · Apr 03, 2011, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Wannagotoheaven

I see. I played wow for a long time and loved the focus system there. I've played GW for a long time too, and know there's no such thing. Do most people rely on alt tabbing to target?
e.g: I use my spear set for auto attacks and just press "c-space". That often doesn't end up being the mesmer.
Again, stupid question, but do you then tab back to the mesmer?

Dont tab. Click the moving pictures.

Xenomortis · Apr 03, 2011, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by Wannagotoheaven

Trying to do that but i've always hated how changing sets while autoattacking doesn't work smoothly. Not used to pressing esc either. Guess this is a reflex I have to acquire .

Bind the "cancel action" command to a more convenient key if you struggle with escape (it's by the F keys but I don't like it much either).
You can queue the swap with a cast - if you press the swap key just before you cast the spell, you should swap into that set for the cast pretty quickly.

Wannagotoheaven · Apr 03, 2011, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Bind the "cancel action" command to a more convenient key if you struggle with escape (it's by the F keys but I don't like it much either).
You can queue the swap with a cast - if you press the swap key just before you cast the spell, you should swap into that set for the cast pretty quickly.

I guess I have to start binding some keys differently. Never found GW very anti-clicking. But enough excuses :l.
Was thinking q and e for set 1 and 2, then clicking for the other two which I use a lot less.

Gard · Apr 03, 2011, 07:41 PM // 19:41

I don't know what kind of mouse you use, but if there are some additional buttons on it, you could use those aswell..

Wannagotoheaven · Apr 03, 2011, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I have a naga, but I have a very very bad hand eye coordination, so it's either I see what's on the screen, or I think about my mouse buttons. Thus my clicking nature.

Anyhow, thanks everyone for the replies, has been helping me alot